KDE4 rules… better said will do one day
I’m brave man sometimes. You know, no coward nor chicken. So you know why I replace KDE4:STABLE with KDE4:UNSTABLE on my desktop machine. And voila — cool KDE4 has been ready after lunch (beans and sausages, realy healthy meal for hardcore workers). There is only one thing to say: “it’s much more better than its 4.0 sibling. Yep, it can be used now. Beer for all developers.” (OK, it’s three things to say to be exact).
Of course you have to set some things to polish it after “vanilla” installation. First – to switch off text under icons because it’s stupid. Second – switch off rubber windows to prevent beans (menioned above) jump out of stomach. And third – set plasma theme for something non-blackish.
I can say I have observed only one popular Plasma crash. It was when I’ve leaved my home desktop unlocked for doggie. He loves to play with mouse. He clicked with it like an wild masturbating monkey.
Finally – I’ve found The First Cool Usage For Plasmoids (TM). There is “Folder View” plasmoid as you can see on screenshot. With combination with The Dashboard (Ctrl+12) it really rules.
Of course there are some issues I’d like to see solved and/or polished:
- Icons in systray.
Icons aren’t sorted in columns. It’s using only one column for it.(latest build fixes it).And these icons are using ugly color fragments in background. There is a bugreport for it somewhere. - Task Panel. I like it vertical. And I’m talking about panels now! There is no minimal and maximal height of items in task panel. It’s ugly when tehre are only few apps opened and it’s unisable when there are lots of them. The bug is reported too.
- Plasmoids code – I said myself: “you know Qt well, so why won’t you fix it youtself?” So… I’m so sexy for paintEvents obsession. Sorry guys.
- Non functional webcamera. It’s working in KDE3. But when I run only one KDE4 app, it lost its abiliy to capture video. Dunno why.
No MDI window decoration in Oxygen theme.Fixed in latest build.- No kaffeine. OK, dragon player is cool but…You know… But Kaffeine is Kaffeine. They say they’re working on it. Can you do it faster, guys?
- No kdesvn. Ol’ good KDE3 lives still.
- I cannot force Kate to indent C++ code as it does in KDE3 version. And now I’m talking about auto curly-braces after e.g. if etc.
- Amarok2. Well, it’s under developmen. Fine. It’s still playing music. Very well. But it’s growing into something Community2.0beta, if you can understand my feelings. I’d like to listen
musicgrind core and more deadly sounds but playlist is hidden somewhere in the corner. So I asked for New Music Player Tender 2008. Some good people pointed me for Qmmp and JuK. And the winner is JuK – tadada! OK, it has horrible (read: I dont understand it) controlling, but it takes only bits of CPU (2%, Amarok 5%, Qmmp 10%). And it counts when there are running Oracle and Postgresql databases and some code compilations.
But you rocks, people of KDE. I did not believe KDE4 will be working one day. But the success is near.
June 10th, 2008 at 11:14 am
Who let this guy post on planet KDE? Geez.
Not only is the article a stupid rant, but also close to incomprehensible.
June 10th, 2008 at 11:24 am
hi
cool, please can u try with glassified theme and tell me if those ugly black frame around icons on the desktop are still here. this my last hated bug in plasma
thanks
ps: avoid aseigo blog style and try to write simple english ;)
June 10th, 2008 at 11:31 am
Spell checker is your friend, mine as well. Both konqueror and Firefox have it integrated. Please use it.
June 10th, 2008 at 11:37 am
@markey: Ooh, he dissed Amarok. There there.
June 10th, 2008 at 11:38 am
May I ask you who you are exactly and what area do you take part in KDE? Do you have an IRC nickname?
I find your whole post very superficial, not going into the issues.
I find it badly written, I don’t even understand the sentences.
I don’t see why exactly you are voicing all that on Planet KDE which I thought was for people involved in KDE talking about what they do.
I am not sure I want to post about my work anymore.
June 10th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
hups. Thanks for warm reactions.
mimoune djouallah: I can see black background around these icons still.
Bille and markey: heh, I’m pretty sure Amarok will survive my poor disses.
mark Kretschmann, Stecchino, annma: hey, calm down and take it easy. Life is too cool to get bored by blog posts. You know, it’s all only fun.
I’m so sorry if you find this article troll-speach, but I can live with it. I just wanted to share my joy of first usable KDE4 I can use. That’s all.
Of course you’re right about screwed sentences, but it’s my style of writting/speaching.
Adn who am I? Just another idiot? Let’s talk my work: Scribus, TOra, Sqliteman, Oraschemadoc, buildservice repo. I think it’s enough to be allowed to have a right to write, isn’t it? Although I’m convinced that the right to write does not depend on code you write.
Try to find subik on irc.freenode.net usually in #scribus
June 10th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
The question annma had was: Why are you on Planet KDE? Noone questions your right to write here on your own little blog.
June 10th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
yes, I really wonder why you are on planetkde.org too, I really thought that it was a KDE developer and contributor planet, which seems not to be your case…
June 10th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
I didn’t see anything bad in this post. it was informative for me. or maybe you want censorship?
June 10th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
Agree with Aindrias : calm down, I don’t find any problem with this blog…
June 10th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
Same here, I see no problem with this post… Just expressing his point of view.
June 10th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
Hello,
well I think this blog post is ok. He made some valid points. (although they are already known)
I didn’t like the things he wrote about Amarok 2 but that is his opinion.
But ok, am not sure what this has to do on planetkde.org. Maybe “we” need something like planetkdeusers.org
DanielW
June 10th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
@DanielW :
OK for planetkdeusers.org, but he IS a developer ! (perhaps not core developer, but scribus is one of the most known QT apps !)
June 10th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
@ Cypher Aindrias and houba: we are for free speech, it’s just that we are puzzled to what Planet KDE is. I am not involved in any of the things he mentions so the’s nothing I take personally and I am very chilled. Everybody can express his point of view in a blog. However as I contribute to this aggregate, I think I am entitled to ask myself what Planet KDE is. It was an aggregate for KDE developers and contributors to communicate about KDE. Some planet bloggers rant about this and that not being OK for them in KDE and that’s OK. But I feel that if Planet KDE is going to be an aggreagte of such blogs (and me a censor for answering?) I’d better stay away from reading it and writing to it.
My thought is: my freedom to write on Planet KDE is limited by my respect for other people and for other people work within KDE. Maybe we need another Planet!
June 10th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
I also don’t see a problem with the post, it is quite funny when you have interpreted the English and he shares some of my opinions.
He is right that Juk does look like a very nice alternative to Amarok and is much lighter on my old slow lap top.
Although I’m in no rush for Kaffeine because I like my applications light and can play smb shares that have a gap in the name.
June 10th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
I do not see anything offensive as well, it ends in a bright note. Maybe the style is difficult to follow, but I do not see trolling here, only a genuine report of some issues with KDE4 that are being slowly solved, and apparently the author is liking it more and more each day.
As for the role of PlanetKDE, it is inconsistend I think. There are some people that are direct KDE developers and post about their daily routines, political thoughts, etc. I think when it is not too constant we should not worry about it :)
June 10th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
The “friendly” KDE community rears its head.
I quite enjoyed this post. At least we got a nice screenie. That cashew can’t find its way home, can it?
And at least (s)he honestly raised the problem of the ugly default theme. In fact, KDE 4 is institutionally ugly. Nuno is a great corporate logo designer, but he knows nothing about icons.
Nuno and Seigo need to start listening, rather than pretending to listen.
At the moment, we’ve got a buggier, uglier version of Mezzo.
June 10th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
@Droidistan
“And at least (s)he honestly raised the problem of the ugly default theme. In fact, KDE 4 is institutionally ugly. Nuno is a great corporate logo designer, but he knows nothing about icons.”
Wow…
everybody knows that it’s just a matter of taste. I like the Oxygen windows theme and the new icon set is very nice (even if I not a big fan of the folder icons but well…). The new plasma theme is just great and you can change it with a few clicks. Moreover, I like the dark theme because I want to clearly separate my desktop things from my standart windows.
And Nuno and Seigo are doing a huge amount of work for KDE, it’s not always easy to change something that you like just because someone said it.
June 10th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
I think he has some valid points. I guess every long time power user of KDE knows about some of these things. E.g. you still cannot move widgets on the panel.
And trolling about spelling or grammar sucks. Not everyone is a native English speaker. Better deal with his arguments.
June 10th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
@Henning: woohoo, I have to read more English books for sure. And maybe more than technical ones ;)
June 10th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
I have 10.3 and I get all kinds of problem with dependencies with the KDE4:unstable. Cannot install libphonon(.so.4 or something), and other problems. Is it safe to update without loosing all my settings from 10.3? Kde4 unstable is much better?
June 10th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
Hahaha :) Good post. I thought it was quite funny. I don’t know why you are on planetkde (since you don’t seem to be a kde dev) but the post was fine. Everyone needs to cut you some more slack, not everyone’s native language is English.
June 10th, 2008 at 6:56 pm
Nothing bad about this blog post man.
What a negative reaction from some of the people… geez….
Good to see I’m not the only one having those issues & thoughts regarding KDE4.
Welcome to the planet btw and don’t let people get you down! :-)
June 10th, 2008 at 7:40 pm
I realize now that my comments about the lack of spell checker use were a bit harsh. I myself don’t use the English language correctly most of the time, even though I read English books exclusively.
I do however feel people should show restraint what to post on various planets. Type the post, let it sit in the draft for a few hours, then consider to post it with that content or not.
This post is harmful for developers motivation because of the poisonous negative comments without offering a solution. This should at all times be avoided.
Bart
June 10th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
> This post is harmful for developers motivation because of
> the poisonous negative comments without offering a
> solution. This should at all times be avoided.
Most of the problems are connected with the lack of feature parity with KDE3 .. just look at how great and usable KDE3 is and you have the solutions in front of your eyes.
June 10th, 2008 at 9:10 pm
I don’t honestly know who the blogger is, but the comments mocking his English are a disgrace.
English is the ultimate open source language; get over it, Nazis. We are all learning.
June 10th, 2008 at 9:27 pm
at first ad my English – I know it’s bad. And I know it goes worse and worse since I’m using IRC (and since I’m working in the multilingual office).
So I’ve started to write these articles as an excersise. Well, without success yet ;)
at second ad beating the devs motivation – [disclaimer] this post was not meant as a complaining one. [/disclaimer]
I was really suprised with current kde4 trunk status especially comparing 4.0.1 (what I tried before).
I don’t want to harm any of devs. Lets take amarok2 for example. Its devels are working hard to make “The Best Music Player (From Their Point Of View)”. It’s great. And it is not their fault that I don’t need any “community goodies”. Definitely.
to superman – i did simple repositories switch and it worked. But I’m afraid it’s not warranted for your situation.
June 10th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
Můžeš se vrátit na ábíčko – tam se tvoje plky setkávají s vyšším uznáním a navíc skoro každý ví, jaký jsi guru. Radši to napíšu česky, ať mě tady někdo neosočí, že neumím anglicky (jish).
June 11th, 2008 at 5:33 am
Good post. I have slightly more than zero foreign language skills, so I have great respect for anything the rest of the world contributes in “English”. Petr is in pretty good company – I estimate his English is better than 4% of the US population.
As for the post being “harmful for developers motivation”, that’s up to the individual. It’s just as (un)likely that the “developers” (in general) only motivation is by a compliment from Some Blogger.
June 11th, 2008 at 8:41 pm
Nasum \m/
June 12th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
Too bad Boycott Novell has been bashing you guys…it really looks amazing.
http://www.fsdaily.com/Community/Boycott_Novell_Defenders_of_Freedom_or_Offenders_of_Freedom
Fight back?
February 15th, 2009 at 10:20 am
Yes all this much interesting
September 16th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
Yes possible expect and such, shall wait the renovations.